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Chuck
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I would delete the procedural for dropping a loaded magazine. I spent 9 years in law enforcement and things like that happen in real life.
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RobMoore
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..but don't they also have consequences in real life?
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Chuck
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| RobMoore wrote: | | ..but don't they also have consequences in real life? |
Only if you are not carrying a spare magazine. 
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Jim w
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| Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Actually, I was in favor of this rule instead of the 2005 approach of writing design standards for magazine carriers instead of performance standards. So now we have both. Ick. I can think of ways to simulate the "real world" penalty but they would probably be worse than a PE.
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tnpyeron
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It can always be written that once a magazine hits the ground it is dead, unless it is an apparent accident. E.X. mag slips while in the process of a change. (I know, subjective again.)
If the shooter recovers the mag, then a PE would be assessed.
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nwb01
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Dropping a loaded magazine is not always a procedural. If the magazine is dropped at the last shooting position it is NOT a procedural.
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Jim w
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| Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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It is if you dislodge and drop your no 3 magazine in the process of drawing your no 2 magazine for a reload.
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sirveyr
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Allow the highly illegal "speed reload". 
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Jerry Mosher
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| Jim w wrote: | | It is if you dislodge and drop your no 3 magazine in the process of drawing your no 2 magazine for a reload. |
4. Ammunition Carrier Notes:
1. A three (3) second procedural penalty will be assessed any time a loaded ammunition feeding device (magazine, speedloader or full moon clip) is dislodged and falls out of the carrier during a course of fire. Dropping a loaded ammunition feeding device during a reload is not a procedural as long as the competitor does not leave ammunition behind.
No where in this statement does this differentiate between #2 or #3 magazines. It simply states "Dropping a loaded ammunition feeding device during a reload is not a procedural as long as the competitor does not leave ammunition behind." On the IDPA Forum under Rule Clarifications, Robert addresses dropped magazines but there is no distinction made between either magazine on the belt being dropped so my interpretation, FWIW, is that any loaded magazine dropped during a reload falls under this rule - with the exception of the partial coming out of the gun, which is specifically addressed In Appendix Two, under Approved IDPA Reloads.
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RickB
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I'm with Jim, a "dislodged" magazine is not a dropped magazine. The rule is to ensure that mag pouches have sufficient retention, and refers to magazines other than the one ejected from the gun or drawn as a reload. If a mag drops from your pouch, it's 3 seconds.
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The Drew
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I think a dropped loaded mag ( accident or not) should NOT be a procedural unless the shooter continues to fire after the mag hits the ground without retrieving it. This has it's own built in penalty I.E. the time it takes to pick up and stow the mag.
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kdmoore
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:54 pm Post subject: drop a mag, get a penalty |
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If you drop any mag that isn't leaving an empty gun, you should get a penalty.
It does happen. It is a mistake. We should be penalized for fumbling or failing to retain something as important as a magazine.
If we don't deem it important, then make the penalty a second or less. And, of course if you retrieve the mag before your last shot is fired you could skip the penalty because the the time to pick up a mag would be an even greater penalty timewise. |
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